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Pokemon - Exeggute -> Exeggutor

In this particular episode, Misty agrees to become the sidekick of a magician who thinks he's terrible. The magician uses his exeggute to hypnotize Ash into using his Pokemon for capturing some exeggutor. Suddenly, the magician's exeggute start to evolve .. BY THEMSELVES! If anybody has played the Pokemon red/blue/yellow versions, Exeggute don't evolve unless you give them a leaf stone.

In the Pokemon Movie 2000, the Exeggute *do* evolve with a leaf stone.

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PJPoon writes:: The exeggute were in the Leaf Forest so there are probably Leaf Stones around somewhere. The radiation from the stones must have caused them to evolve.; 19 of 21 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: I'll deal with your other counterarguments later on, but the most interesting one is the last one, with regards to Vulpix and the fire stone. The key word is "only"; that is to say, "Vulpix can evolve *only* with the use of the fire stone" automatically excludes all other cases (happiness or natural evolution) .. so the possibility is in fact excluded. Know what I mean? Logic rules define "only" as a strict definition by excluding all other cases. Your example with Charmeleon is indeed correct; even if for the sake of argument your sentence about Charmeleon was true, you didn't use the word only .. and that was the key word when I've heard the statement about Vulpix in the episode entitled "The Ultimate Test". I like your debating style, Mewtwo. Please note I have nothing against you by defending my point, but with you it's a pleasant discussion.; 6 of 6 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Magmar writes:: There is a lot of stuff not pointed out in the show. They can't spend twenty minutes describing how Exeggcute evolved without a stone, and still show the rest of the show. Anyway, the makers of the show probably don't know how that happened. How accurate have they really ever been been?; 3 of 4 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

n-zyme writes:: There must've been loads and loads and loads of them, since usually stones have to touch Pokemon for a few seconds to affect them. (Check the Lt. Surge episode, Ash can hold it near Pikachu, and Pikachu can swat it away without needing an Everstone.) Or maybe Leaf Stones are formed somehow by the radiation the forest emits, and while the stones store a 1-shot "burst" of it, the forest emits it at a slow, continuous pace, explaining the evolution delay. Or something like that...; 2 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Magmar writes:: Yeah, but don't you remember the Clefairy and the Moon Stone ep. Clefairy held the smaller perhaps "older" rock in it's hands and it didn't evolve. When it got up to the giant moon stone it still didn't evolve(it seems like anything that big would give off A LOT of radiation). Later in the ep. when the giant moon stone had broken into many pieces, and touched the Clefairy they evolved right then. Those pieces would have generally been from the inside where it hasn't been exposed to the weather and stuff. When Ash was trying to defeat Lt. Surge, Nurse Joy brought out a thunder stone. It was in a storage room meaning it might have been pretty old and exposed to the weather elements or something. It didn't give off enough radiation to get Pikachu to evolve(maybe the will to evolve thing comes into play here). So to wrap this comment up, I think that the more the stone is exposed to the elements, the weaker the radiation it gives off.; 2 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: See above: the counter for that has been given. The program didn't point it out, therefore it must be a slip-up. Leaf stones being in the forest should have been mentioned because leaf stones are required to evolve Exeggute.; 2 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Magmar writes:: Yes, you are right, and yes, I was being sarcastic. Nonetheless, this isn't a half bad slip-up. My only other theory (not saying this is right and this isn't a slip-up) is that Exeggucute came in contact with a leaf stone earlier which gave it the...umm...stuff it needs to evolve. Then when it wants to, it can evolve under its own power or will.; 2 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Snorby writes:: Well, in Pokemon G/S, you can make Pokemon hold the evolution stones, even if they evolve by that stone. (IE, "Made Clefairy hold Moon Stone.") You have to USE the stone on it to make it evolve. Since Clefairy, Pikachu, and Exeggcute never had the stones used on them, they didn't evolve. (This does not explain the exploding Moon Stone in "Clefairy and the Moon Stone.") And as for Pikachu, it never hit the stone- it hit Ash's hand.; 2 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Pinkachu writes:: That is really simple Timtim. Attack, I mean that there must be other pokemon besides executors in the forest, and they might use a attack that has not seen in games or the show!! And that leads to Magmar and Air Lins, Magmar used Air Lins to refract electric attacks, but there's not any attack that called Air Lins in R/B/Y/G/G/S/Crystal, so by that, I ment that there might be a attack that evolve executor by other pokemon that does not exist in gameboy games.; 3 of 5 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Mewtwo writes:: Yes but remember that Eevee has an irregular genetic code that makes it able to evolve into three different Pokemon under certain circumstances. And maybe Pokemon can evolve if they have the necessary will but cannot stop the evolution inducted by a stone.; 2 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Eevee has an irregular genetic code, because it can evolve into three (now 5, but I'll assume pre-GS) Pokemon? Remember the episode where a girl tries to evolve her Gloom with a leaf stone but is unsuccessful? The episode lies somewhere in between when Ash returns to Pallet Town after getting the initial 8 badges, and when he participates in the Pokemon league. Anyway, this girl who attempts to evolve Gloom fails to do so. She would have known if Gloom didn't want to evolve, but the reason why Gloom doesn't evolve is because, as Professor Oak states, the leaf stone turns out to be a fake. The girl was fooled by Team Rocket, who sold her a fake leaf stone. Now; obviously Gloom possessed the will to evolve into Vileplume; otherwise Gloom would have shown some rejection. Thus, Gloom possessed the "necessary will". However, if you mean to say that Pokemon can evolve two ways, then it contradicts the trivia question stated in "The Ultimate Test" stating a true false question "Ninetails evolves from Vulpix only with the use of a fire stone.". This rule can be applied to Gloom and Exeggute as well. Why did I bring up the subject of Gloom, you ask? Because by stating Eevee's genetic code is irregular, Gloom's genetic code is irregular too. Use of a leaf stone enables it to become a Vileplume. Use of a sun stone enables it to become a Bellossom. Therefore Gloom's genetic code is irregular. Because Gloom's genetic code is irregular, and the Gloom I was talking about above obviously possessed the will but didn't evolve, in conclusion the same thing can be said about Eevee. Eevee was afraid to be touched by the stones, meaning the will is not required, despite Eevee's "irregular genetic code". As a result: (1) Pokemon can't evolve by having the necessary will because it contradicts the trivia question which states that Ninetails evolves from Vulpix only with the use of a fire stone. (2) The fact that Eevee has an irregular genetic code shouldn't be relevant enough to prove Eevee to be an exception to the alleged rule that "A Pokemon's will to evolve is required along with using an evolutionary stone, for stone-induced evolution Pokemon." After all, Gloom has an irregular genetic code too but is also an exception (read above).; 2 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Mewtwo writes:: You're right, it's a slipup. Qoute: "Counter Argument 1: Maybe the necessary will is required to evolve. Response: But Eevee was afraid to be touched by the stones, so if will was involved, why would Eevee be afraid?" Response2:Maybe it can't stop STONE inducted evolution. Quote: "Counter Argument 2: But don't forget that Eevee has an irregular code that makes it able to evolve into three different Pokemon. Response: And this is supposed to be relevant to a Pokemon's will to evolve? Does that mean Eevee's an exception, because of Eevee's irregular genetic code? I don't believe so. Gloom has an irregular genetic code (leaf stone = vileplume, sun stone = bellossom) and Gloom WOULD have evolved if a leaf stone touched it .. but when Professor Oak said that the reason Gloom didn't evolve was because the leafstone was fake, he didn't mention at all that it's possible that Gloom didn't have the necessary will." Response2: As I said above maybe it CAN'T stop STONE inducted evolution and the will doesn't count. Even if it wouldn't have the will, by being touched by a stone it would of have evolved. Agree? Qoute: "Counter Argument 3: But Pidgeotto possessed the will to evolve and did. Response: Pidgeotto is not a stone-induced evolution Pokemon. Neither is Charizard. Response2: Why should it be different for Pok�mon which do not evolve with the use of a stone? Oh, and I didn't think that you compared Pidgeotto and Gloom. I compared them. And as for the trivia question: Ninetails evolves from Vulpix only with the use of a fire stone > This does not exclude the possibility that Vulpix can evolve without the use of a fire stone. If I state: Charmeleon evolves with the use of a fire stone, does it mean that it cannot evolve WITHOUT the use of it?; 5 of 9 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Cheki-chee writes:: This is defiantly a slip up. Exeggute cannot evolve into exeggutor without a leaf stone and I doubt there were Leaf stones in the forest and if there were then the programme should of pointed it out.; 1 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Almighty_Musachan writes:: Don't forget, James was wearing his magic Boot of Evolution! Maybe the magic radiated into Exegcute(SP?!) when he made fun of it. James~ "I'll knock the cholesterol out of you!" As you know, they aren't eggs but seeds. Maybe it made em mad?; 2 of 4 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: But that's just the thing, Snorby! The Exeggute *did* evolve without a leaf stone. But in the Pokemon movie 2000, the Exeggute evolved *without* a leaf stone. As for Magmar's comment .. perhaps you have a point. I still think it's unlikely, since they've never in the past shown a Pokemon's will to evolve after usage of the leaf stone. There was one particular episode involving Gloom, and how this girl could not get it to evolve with a leaf stone. Then, professor Oak pointed out that this was true because the leaf stone turned out to be a fake (and the girl was scammed by Team Rocket). Professor Oak said nothing about the possibility that Gloom did not want to evolve into vileplume. Sorry again Magmar, but I would have to discharge your theory once more. Come on.. one's gotta agree that this slipup is near-uncounterable.; 1 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Again, why should radiation be involved at all? The only point I'm trying to bring across is that since the program didn't point out the fact that the Exeggute touched a leaf stone which forced it to evolve into an Exeggutor. Because they didn't point out this fact, it is a slipup. Somebody stated that there were probably leaf stones around the forest, and the radiation from the stones made the Exeggute evolve; the program didn't point it out, but let's suppose this for the sake of argument. This doesn't explain why Clefairy was able to hold a moonstone and not get affected. Therefore, radiation shouldn't be involved; it was never involved in any past episodes, so we don't have any reason to believe it should be involved in present episodes either. And yes; the will of a Pokemon was involved in order for Charmeleon to evolve into Charizard. However, that's not the argument; I'm talking about Pokemon with stone-induced evolution. Of course the will to evolve is one factor that is involved for any other Pokemon to evolve. However, those who use evolution stones to evolve .. the will is not involved, and I've used the Eevee case as an example. Team Rocket was going to use all three stones on Eevee at the same time, and Eevee was terrified. Eevee had no reason to be terrified if the stones wouldn't make it evolve; all Eevee needs to do is refuse to possess the will to evolve. So tell me again; is it a slipup that the Exeggute evolved without a leaf stone in one episode, the Exeggute evolved with a leaf stone in Pokemon the movie 2000, and the Exeggute evolve into Exeggutor with a leaf stone in Pokemon R/B/Y/G/S?; 4 of 8 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Gungan Din writes:: Interesting theory. Also don't forget how Clefairy can hold a Moon Stone shard in its sweaty little paws without any change occurring.; 1 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Silver757 writes:: Maybe Clefairy didn't evolve because there wasn't enough radiation in the stone. Same for Pikachu, too.; 1 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Magmar writes:: Maybe the age of the stone counts. Maybe the radiation of the stone isn't as strong when they get older or something. The leaf stones in the forest could have been new giving off more radiation if they were newer.; 1 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

T-zone writes:: Well, remember, this isn't the GB game, it's the TV show. Maybe there's Leaf Stones, like, everywhere in the Leaf Forest. Maybe that's where "they" get the Leaf Stones. However, I really don't think we need to argue about this... after all, it's just a TV show.; 1 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Oops .. I meant to say that in the Pokemon movie 2000, the Exeggute evolved *with* a leaf stone, and in that episode, the Exeggute evolved *without* a leaf stone. Nevertheless I stand my my point.; 1 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Pinkachu writes:: Or maybe it was a attack from any pokemon, at any direction, the show don't have to tell u everything, let's take Blain's Magmar for example, he uses Air Lins to stopped pikachu's attack, and I have never seen any air lins attack in R/B/G/Y/TCG/G/S/Crystal, oh yeah, also you can download japanese version of crystal rom on this website: http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/skyscraper/techie/668/download.html; 2 of 5 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Hey Pinkachu, what does "attack", "Magmar", and "Air Lins" have to do with how an Exeggutor evolved without a leaf stone in one episode, and evolved with a leaf stone in Pokemon movie 2000? You've lost me.; 1 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Pokemon can evolve by happiness, yes, but only certain Pokemon such as Togepi and Golbat. It cannot be applied to Exeggute. Why not? Because if happiness evolutions can apply to any Pokemon, then it's only fair that stone evolutions can apply to any Pokemon as well. Wanna evolve Magikarp? Use a water stone. Wanna evolve a Vulpix? Make it really happy. But hey wait a minute; in the episode where Ash takes a test to win a badge equivalent to owning 8 badges, there was a true/false question stating, "Ninetails evolves from Vulpix only with the use of a fire stone." so that can't be right. The leaf stone radiation theory is somewhat discharged, because a Clefairy can hold a moon stone in its hand, and Pikachu didn't evolve when the thunderstone was near. The happiness theory is discharged as well, due to what I've stated above. Conclusion: A valid slipup, IMO.; 1 of 4 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

T-zone writes:: Here's my theory. Try this on for size: a Pok�mon that is evolved by stone needs to have the will to eveolve. If it does, and it is exposed to the stone, it will evolve. If it doesn't have the will to evolve, it won't. Hmmm... never thought if that before, did you?; 1 of 4 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Let me take that into consideration, how the "will" of a Pokemon along with a Pokemon who normally evolves with one of the evolution stones are two necessities. Do you recall the episode entitled "Battling Eevee Brothers"? In that episode, Team Rocket steals an Eevee; Meowth wanted a Jolteon, James wanted a Vaporeon, and Jessie(sp?) wanted a Flareon. While Eevee was locked in a cage, they were planning on using all of the stones on Eevee at the same time. Eevee was afraid to be touched by the stones. If the "will" is required as you put it, then there's no reason why Eevee should have been afraid. Therefore I would have to discharge this "required will" theory as well. Is it a valid slipup?; 0 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

ISHAY writes:: If you look at a evolution stone, you see it has a small thunder or leaf (depends on the type of stone) surronded by a larger stone. Lets use a leaf stone as an example: the leaf itself is inside a stone so a pokemon can hold it without evolving. Only if u put the stone with the leaf on the pokemon it gets the radiation of the special evolution leaf and it makes the pokemon evolve. I think there are special leaves like the Apricons that are used to make pokeballs. So in that forest the exeggute was in there were evolution leaves on the floor and it touched one and evolved. And about the moon stone: It seems like the clafery has to prey to the moon stone before it can make it evolve. If you notice, after they pray to the moon stone, the stones were glowing and must have been kina activated.. I mean it is from the moon and it must be advanced and all... Either that or you just have to beat up a pokemon with a stone before it evolves. Example: I want to evolve my Growlithe. So I buy a fire stone and bring it to my Growlithe. I take the stone and start to beat up Growlithe with the stone untill it faints and evolves! MUWAHWA! And that's the reason why the eevee was so afraid of the stone: He didn't want to get beaten up... J/K! But seriously about that eevee: Either he was afraid his trainer wouldn't like him if he evolves, or he was afraid that TR were going to use three stones on him at once... ^_______^; 0 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

T-zone writes:: Maybe since Eevee has an irregular genetic code, it can't stop evolving from a stone. But, this could just be an invalid slip-up.; 0 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Why should radiation be involved in evolving a Pokemon at all? I think it isn't .. the show should have pointed out that the Exeggute did indeed touch a leaf stone, but it didn't, therefore it is a slipup; 'nuff said. Is the will of a Pokemon involved in a stone working against that Pokemon? It is not, due to the Eevee example I have given. Then the counter of "Maybe Eevee was instead afraid of its owner not liking it after being touched by a stone" was given. I suppose it's possible, but then it is sort of getting off topic, because that statement is countering something countering another thing. Bottom line: slipup. Reason: radiation not involved, will not involved, show didn't point out sufficient facts, show contradicted what happened in Pokemon 2000 (when the Pokemon evolved with a leaf stone) Counters: radiation involved, will involved, Exeggute possibly touched leaf stone on forest ground my-counters: radiation not dependent on weather elements, stone working depends on touch alone, show didn't point out exeggute touched stone. Agree yet? One other possibility is Pokemon being able to evolve one of two ways in the cartoon. But if this were the case, then why did the quiz (in the episode "The Ultimate Test") ask: "Ninetails evolves from Vulpix only with the use of a fire stone" (which was obviously true). I think this slipup has gotten to the point of over-rationalization .. unless somebody can give another valid unrationalized counter.; 0 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: Two responses to that: 1) It wouldn't take twenty minutes to explain that the Exeggute touched a leaf stone. If you were exhaggerating (which you probably were), it wouldn't take ten minutes either... or five. Maybe it would only take one or two at the MOST. 2) The whole foundation of www.slipups.com is based on "stuff not pointed out on the show". If you can make this excuse for this slipup, why not make this excuse for every other slipup? Making this excuse for any other slipup would excuse all slipups, and slipups would no longer have meaning. Know what I mean?; 0 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: An attack to evolve Pokemon? Okay now that's getting a bit farfetched, wouldn't you say? You are implying that when the Exeggute were in the forest and decided to evolve, that the evolution was the result of some invisible Pokemon attacking them with a special attack. However, in past episodes (or future ones), there has never been an attack that made an evolution occur. One might believe that Pidgeotto evolved because it was attacked, but it evolved because it wanted to fight Fearow (that is, it had the will to evolve). Not to be mistaken with stone-evolution Pokemon, whose will is not required to evolve. I'm still having trouble remember when Magmar used Air Lins. That attack isn't even a word .. maybe it's really another attack? Anyway, so you've discovered an attack "Air Lins" that doesn't exist in the gameboy games. That doesn't relate to this discussion at all, because my past postings have stated that my slipup isn't based on what happens on Pokemon R/B/Y .. it's based on how in one episode, the Exeggute evolved without a leaf stone, and in another episode (Pokemon the movie 2000) the Exeggute evolved with a leaf stone. The fact that you brought up the gameboy games is totally irrelevant. Even if "Air Lins" was some attack stated in the show, "Air Lins" did not make a Pokemon evolve. It's just some extra attack; why does the fact that an attack not stated in the gameboy games imply that we can invent an attack which evolves Pokemon? An attack is an attack .. nothing more, nothing magically evolutionary, zilch.; 1 of 4 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Mewtwo writes:: You cannot compare Gloom and Eevee because Eevee can evolve in the three (five) Pokemon even if a stone is not used ( Should i remind you that there are no stones for psychic or dark evolution?). Gloom on the other hand must be given a sun stone to evolve into Bellossom. It cannot evolve by itself. Reminding about Pidgeotto's case, which you mentioned above, and comparing it to Gloom : it is completely different. Pidgeotto wanted to evolve and had an extraordinary will to evolve, he wanted to defend his fellows against Fearow. (Also Charizard's case which had an extraordinary will to evolve to beat Aerodactyl) This is definately not Glooms case which had no reason to evolve and relied on the stone. Well look at this from Exeggute to Eevee and now to Gloom.; 1 of 4 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Timtim writes:: I should have been more clear. Your statements suggest I stated Gloom cannot evolve by itself; well I didn't. I used Gloom in my argument, but I never stated that fact. The argument went as follows: Counter Argument 1: Maybe the necessary will is required to evolve. Response: But Eevee was afraid to be touched by the stones, so if will was involved, why would Eevee be afraid? Counter Argument 2: But don't forget that Eevee has an irregular code that makes it able to evolve into three different Pokemon. Response: And this is supposed to be relevant to a Pokemon's will to evolve? Does that mean Eevee's an exception, because of Eevee's irregular genetic code? I don't believe so. Gloom has an irregular genetic code (leaf stone = vileplume, sun stone = bellossom) and Gloom WOULD have evolved if a leaf stone touched it .. but when Professor Oak said that the reason Gloom didn't evolve was because the leafstone was fake, he didn't mention at all that it's possible that Gloom didn't have the necessary will. Counter Argument 3: But Pidgeotto possessed the will to evolve and did. Response: Pidgeotto is not a stone-induced evolution Pokemon. Neither is Charizard. About your second point, how you think I'm comparing Pidgeotto with Gloom; I'm not. I'm using the Pidgeotto example to prove that people might believe a Pokemon's will is necessary to evolve. Don't get me wrong; for non-stone-evolution Pokemon, it is. However, for stone evolution Pokemon, it's not. Because it's not, the fact that the Exeggute evolved into Exeggutor without the use of a leaf stone must be a slipup. Without swaying off topic (i.e. from Exeggute to Eevee etc) .. I have shown that (1) a stone evolution Pokemon's will to evolve is not required to evolve (e.g. Eevee afraid) (2) leaf stones were not in the forest (this is too important for the program not to point out) (3) An attack to evolve Pokemon is farfetched and silly (since there has been no record in the past or future episodes to which a stone evolution Pokemon evolved after an attack). Now, do you agree with me that this was a slipup?; 0 of 2 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

MewMaster9000 writes:: There is another way to evolve pokemon. If they are very happy, they will evolve. So, the exeggcute must've been happy.; 4 of 11 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Stealth killer writes:: i agree with PJpoon when ash and the magician entered the forest you can see a sign that shows WARNING and exeggute becomes exeggutor the forest could be radiated with the leaf stone radiation and that every exeggute that passes there, may evolve.; 0 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

Mewtwo writes:: Maybe the stones need some radiations from their elements (Moon Stone needs moonlight to evolve a Pokemon). Or maybe the stones must touch a Pokemons body to evolve it and does not have effect if held in a hand. Or : The Pokemon can evolve not only if it is very happy, but also if it wins a battle against a much tougher adversary. Remember that episode in wich Pikachu let himself beat up by Paras to make him evolve into Parasect? And in this episode Charmander evolved right after frying the Exeggutor. And when Charmeleon saw how strong Aerodactyl was and wanted so bad to defeat him it evolved. So the POkemons will does count. Maybe the same thing happened here.; 0 of 3 people found this comment helpful. Did you?

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